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[Uncle Steve]

Most profound and TRUE without question statement I have seen yet..



"hasn't it been warming up since the Ice Age???
And all of a sudden someone noticed it "
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Uncle Steve

[doug miller]

Here is an interesting analysis of one of the Climategate emails. The guy doing the analysis had already discussed the emails showing that the movers and shakers behind the so called global warming concensus admitted fudging, preventing those who disagreed with them from getting published in respected journals, etc. He then goes on to discuss what he considers to be a very important one. He says:

"Yet perhaps the most important revelation is not the collusion, the bullying, the politicization and the evidence-planting, but the fact that, even if you wanted to do honest “climate research” at the Climatic Research Unit [at East Anglia], the data and the models are now so diseased by the above that they’re all but useless. Let Ian “Harry” Harris, who works in “climate scenario development and data manipulation” at the CRU, sum it up. Mr. Harris was attempting to duplicate previous results—i.e., to duplicate all that science that’s supposedly settled, and the questioning of which consigns you to the Climate Branch of the Flat Earth Society. How hard should it be to confirm settled science? After much cyber-gnashing of teeth, Harry throws in the towel:

“ARGH. Just went back to check on synthetic production. Apparently—I have no memory of this at all—we’re not doing observed rain days! It’s all synthetic from 1990 onwards. So I’m going to need conditionals in the update program to handle that. And separate gridding before 1989. And what TF happens to station counts?

“OH [obscenity] THIS. It’s Sunday evening, I’ve worked all weekend, and just when I thought it was done I’m hitting yet another problem that’s based on the hopeless state of our databases. There is no uniform data integrity, it’s just a catalogue of issues that continues to grow as they’re found.”"

That line: "Its all synthetic from 1990 onwards" suggests that much of the data on global warming is not raw data that other scientists can review and in so doing test the global warming hypothesis. It is already synthetic, i.e., adjusted or modified.

And the admission concerning the "hopeless state of our databases" is also revealing. In short, the Al Gores of the world are telling the American people that they are going to have to dramatically alter their lives, force industry from our shores, pay a huge carbon tax, and all because of a global warming hypothesis that is based on a "hopeless" database.

Now I know we cannot read too much into some of these emails. But these are from the foremost proponents of global warming, the ones that some world leaders rely on. So before we change our lives in the manner they are demanding, I think the science needs to be reviewed. It would be as if the IRS came to you and said, "Well, although we must confess that our computer databases are a mess, it still appears that you owe $100,000 in tax--PAY UP.

My skepticism about global warming is based on several things: One, do you remember how many hurricanes that the climate scientists predicted would hit the US this past year? Well, either do I! But it was several more than the 0 number that did hit. This shows that our climate is a complicated thing with lots of variables and that science is not yet at a point where it can appropriately consider all those variables. And if they cannot predict what will happen within a year, how can they predict what is going to happen with concerning a much more complicated climate issue in 10 or 100 years?

I also have watched those who thought ethanol was the solution to our dependence on foreign oil problem--even though many who looked at the issue knew that one had to use almost a gallon of oil--and maybe even a bit more--to produce a gallon of ethanol.

And none of the so-called alternative energy sources would succeed if they were not heavily subsidized by your tax dollars. We can hope that changes as technology develops. But we should remember that there is no such thing as a free cup of coffee--so even the best alternative energy source will have costs associated with it.

Finally, the whole recycling craze is, while valuable to some extent, not nearly as environmentally sound as is supposed. Again, it is simply a fact that the amount of energy involved in recycling certain products means that recycling might help a bit, but maybe not a great deal.

We got excited about global cooling and the so called "nuclear winter" in the 70s (and no doubt the research dollars back then went to the global cooling believers of the day and not the global warming heretics) and now we are excited about global warming. Maybe man made global warming is happening. But until the pure scientists speak and the propogandists stay quiet, it will be hard to tell.

[Familyman]

Doug, that was a great piece. If the truth was what mattered, everyone would be relieved that Global Warming was a hoax. This is not about science or the environment. It's about Global Government and government in general taking over control of every aspect of the individuals life. Redistributing wealth across the globe, and acquiring power. The “what if they are right, we can’t afford to take the chance” argument is over. It’s time to stand up and pick a side based on politics alone. What’s better, Capitalism and Freedom or Socialism and Slavery. Ronald Regan’s solutions worked, Obama’s ??????

[Uncle Steve]

Family man, That should bring Mr. Eloquence, Piper back. Come out and play Piper.. we miss your tactful remarks.
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Uncle Steve

[Rich]

I think we all agree that our current economic situation is severe. It makes sense to table some of these expensive battles and revisit them after we figue out how to restore our country's "economic superpower status".

I think we need to hold off on hiring lawyers to run our country for a while and find some Ross Perot type candidates. It's scarey how accurate his predictions from years ago have come true.

[Squeaky]

Rich~~~~~~AMEN

[Familyman]

Keeps getting better..


December 15, 2009
Inconvenient Truth for Gore as Arctic Ice Claims Don't Add Up
London Times
The former vice president said new research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years, but the scientist his estimate was based on denies the timeline.
There are many kinds of truth. Al Gore was hit by an inconvenient one yesterday.
The former vice president, who became an unlikely figurehead for the green movement after narrating the Oscar-winning documentary "An Inconvenient Truth," became entangled in a new climate change row.
Gore, speaking at the Copenhagen climate change summit, stated the latest research showed that the Arctic could be completely ice-free in five years.
In his speech, Gore told the conference: "These figures are fresh. Some of the models suggest to Dr. [Wieslav] Maslowski that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during the summer months, could be completely ice-free within five to seven years."
However, the climatologist whose work Gore was relying upon dropped the former vice president in the water with an icy blast.
"It's unclear to me how this figure was arrived at," Dr. Maslowski said. "I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this."
Gore's office later admitted that the 75 percent figure was one used by Dr. Maslowski as a "ballpark figure" several years ago in a conversation with Gore.
The embarrassing error cast another shadow over the conference after the controversy over the hacked e-mails from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, which appeared to suggest that scientists had manipulated data to strengthen their argument that human activities were causing global warming.

[Uncle Steve]

God forbid, Rich... are you suggesting we run the Country like a Business? How could you..
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Uncle Steve

[mikewhite]

When all is said and done, I hope you are right about there being no problem. Man has not changed the climate, is a thought easier to bear.
If you are right on this, then we will not need to worry about the future climate being worse for our great grandchildren. I hope the nay sayers are right. I hope that the data is found lacking and messed with.

The alterative is pretty scarry, when no one can agree to do a thing.
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"The more nature you keep, the more nature you'll enjoy." and "It's not who is right, but what is right."

[West End Piper]

http://factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/
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[Troy]

And that must be true because its on the internet.

[Conis]

[Uncle Steve]

Very Good TD, very Good, " To each their own"..
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[Conis]

[theeislandgirl]

the world is close to the end .we may be wasting our time worrying about all of this ..we will have to go though a whole lot more before the end though ..this is just the tip of the ice burg but its getting closer ..
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[Rich]

I'm going to have to blame Tiger for all of this. He was obviously the second coming of Jesus Christ but he discovered golf and women and forgot to do the whole salvation thing.

[Conis]

[Troy]

Where did all this new technology come from? It was reverse-engineered after the Roswell crash.

Maybe aliens are the gods some ancient societies described?

[Conis]

[Familyman]

Getting back on the subject...
For any of you ninterested in the real agenda behind the "warmers" agenda, Chavez and his Copenhagen mob summed it up and put it out there for all to see.


http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/putting_our_economy_in_the_hands_of_chavez_fans

[Conis]

[doug miller]

Saw a news report that said Copenhagen, Denmark has a maritime climate and only had a white Christmas 7 times in the last century. Well, while the delegates debate how bad the warming is, 10 cms of snow fell (a 2 cm cover is considered a white Christmas) and the temps have dropped quite low. Funny.

On a more serious note, there was a very interesting essay in yesterday's Wall Street Journal that provided a sort of historical perspective on climate. What I found most interesting was his discussion of how over time the movement of the earth and sun through space, the rotation of the earth on its axis, and another phenomenon I can't recall all can affect weather and climate. It is easy to forget as we sit seemingly without moving that we are actually speeding through space and spinning at the same time--the earth and its climate is not static and is changing all of the time whatever the impact of humans might be. This does not mean we might not be impacting the climate, but does mean that it is a very complicated science and there is much room for error. Given this, I think we need to slow down those who want to force the West to pay trillions to developing nations to "stop global warming" and in so doing destroy our economy.

[doug miller]

One other note: Accuweather.com has some interesting blogs. In particular, there is one by a meteorologist named Brett Anderson where he displays a variety of different views on the topic. I saw an interesting youtube vid of Joe Bastardi, another meteorologist, explaining why he thinks cooling is more likely.

[Conis]

Geeze Doug... Should I take this to mean that this is a complex issue with so many variables that "modern science" can only take an educated guess and probably get it wrong.... and based on that rely on technology to make the necessary corrections?

Or should we keep this on subject and go around in circles about the political/enonomic impact of this misguided fubar??? Misguided however it hits the fan? just give it another year or two?

If you would like, I could cut/paste some links and crap to support whatever you/we would like to read?

Any preferences? Nothing but the truth, and only the truth. Cause I read it on the Internet.
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[Ron Petersen]

Ya know, I don't know why I didn't think about this earlier - - Why don't we call "Lush Slimeball" -
I'll bet he also could verbally quote some "cut & paste" help for us
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