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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:26 pm    Post subject: Ron Paul...Again Reply with quote

Ron Paul won ANOTHER straw poll. The first ever online poll, immediately after the Iowa debates Thursday night. That's right...I watched the debates and not the 1st pro preseason FB game. Read it here:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/politicaltheatre/2011/08/ron-wins-online-iowa-straw-poll-by-a-landslide/
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:37 am    Post subject: Ron Reply with quote

I agree with Ron... Too bad most is thinking he is a wasted vote ~~
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:55 am    Post subject: Wasted Vote Reply with quote

Americans have wasted votes on the last 3 or 4 presidents.

Ron's birthday money bomb, Saturday, August 20, raised 1.8 million. His support is growing. His message has been consistent for his entire career. The "status quo" candidates will do nothing different than Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, or Obama.

If you want to talk about wasted votes, what did you get for your vote with these last four, party endorsed, media endorsed, corporate endorsed candidates?

Did you know that Congressman Wiener (you know, the guy that sent out pictures of his, ahhh, weiner) receives $45,000 in congressional pension money?!! YOUR FEDERAL TAXES!!!!

Ron Paul, a principled, honest, hard working father, DOES NOT PARTICIPATE in the congressional pension system. He will take ZERO pension dollars from the pockets of tax paying American citizens.

The only wasted votes will be on Obama, Bachman, Palin, Perry, etc. All of these jokers KNOW nothing, Have DONE nothing, SAY nothing, and are media endorsed, corporate endorsed, and bankrolled by big pharma, big AG, big oil, etc. These big spenders know Ron Paul will eliminate their corporate subsidy/taxbreaks welfare. They fear him.

Ron Paul is bankrolled by people like me. Average citizens. Can we overthrow the corrupt system? Only if we understand that the only wasted vote is on the status quo candidates.

And enjoy this clip...funny...so true...

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/93205.html

8-22-11 post of RP speech: Read it.

http://lewrockwell.com/vance/vance254.html

I am an atheist but I agree with this Christian 110% when it comes to the hypocrisy of being 'pro-life and pro-war' as so many "christians" are.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one responded , does this mean they have thier mind closed to Ron Paul ?? What gives with that ??

Hey thanks for sharing the vid's .....
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see no one responded to my post about beech tree disease either. It is a sad thing. Politics is a DISAGREEABLE subject. I guess people do not like to respond to sad and disagreeable things.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beech tree disease? My beech tree has Black Spot fungus which it was gracious enough to pass on to my prize $5 roses. Nothing to do but scrap the rose bushes and hope the tree can be cleared up, or it will just happen again next year. The tree won't die until it has spread this thing all over the neighborhood, which the pros tell me will be by the end of fall. Something's gonna get you......
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:21 am    Post subject: disagreeable things Reply with quote

How can a person be disagreeable about Beech Tree disease? I would rather not see the big beech trees die but unless there is a way to affect change, what can be done?

Politics, while it might be a disagreeable topic to some, can be affected by people educating themselves, actively endorsing candidates and then voting. I cannot vote for or against the emerald ash borer or the beech fungus, as sad as the end results might be.

I find the state of our union in shambles. The "corruption fungus" in the "tree of State" can be altered by citizens. We all know that the federal status quo is bankrolled by big AG, OIL, Pharma, etc. and only people can fight that pile of "pithy", "worm infested", political wood.

Politics is a "beech" and then you die. Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rick Perry is a fifth generation Texan, the son of hardscrabble west Texas tenant farmers – Democrats but conservatives through and through. He grew up in a farm town too small to be on the state map. Life was so hard that he was six years old before his house had indoor plumbing. His mother sewed his clothes, including the underwear he wore to college.

He is an Eagle Scout. After Paint Creek High School , he attended Texas A&M, graduated, and was commissioned into the Air Force where he became a C-130 pilot.

Now 61 years old, he has won nine elections to four different offices in Texas state government. In the first three elections he ran as a Democrat then switched to the Republican Party. He is currently the 47th governor of Texas – a position he has held for 11 years, the longest tenure of any governor in the nation.

He has never lost an election.

Rick Perry was the Lieutenant Governor to whom Governor George Bush handed over the office after winning the 2000 Presidential election. Since then, Perry won gubernatorial elections in 2002, 2004, and 2010, the last time by 55% against a field consisting of a Democrat, a Libertarian, a Green Party, and an Independent.

Since he became its Governor, Texas – a right to work state that taxes neither personal income nor capital gains – has added more jobs than the other 49 states combined. In the last two years, low taxes and little regulation led his state to create 47% of all jobs created in the entire nation. Five of the top ten cities with the highest job growth in the nation are in Texas . People follow jobs, so in the last four years for which data are available, Texas led every state in net interstate migration growth.

Perry signed ground-breaking “loser pays” tort reform and medical litigation rules that caused malpractice insurance rates to fall. Some 20,000 doctors have since moved to Texas .

Texas boasts 58 of the Fortune 500 companies – more than any other state. Since May 2011 Texas resumed its pre-recession employment levels. Only two other states and the District of Columbia have done that.

Texas ships 16% of the nation’s export value. California trails at 11%. Of the 70 companies that have fled California so far in 2011, 14 relocated in Texas .

In this year’s Texas legislative season, Perry got most of what he wanted. With no new taxes, a fiscally lean state budget was passed leaving $6 billion in a rainy day fund even as other states around the country struggled to balance budgets and avoid more deficit borrowing. A voter ID bill passed that was designed to prevent ballot box fraud and illegal voting. A bill passed that makes plaintiffs pay court costs and attorney fees if their suits are deemed frivolous.

Perry scored points even in his legislative failures. He failed to get sanctuary cities banned – Texas towns in which police cannot question detainees about their immigration status. The blame fell on the legislature. Perry also failed to get a so-called “anti-groping” bill passed that would put Transportation Security Administration agents in prison if they touch the genitals, anus, or breasts of passengers in a pat down. Federal officials threatened to halt all flights out of Texas airports and the bill died in special session. That endeared Texans even more to TSA employees living in Texas .
Perry jogs daily in the morning. He has no bodyguard with him, but his daughter’s dog runs by his side and he carries a laser-guided automatic pistol in his belt. Last year while jogging in an undeveloped area, a coyote paralleled his jogging route, eyeing his dog. He drew his pistol and killed the animal with one shot, leaving it where it fell. “He became mulch," Perry said. Animal rights groups protested, but Perry shrugged it off. “Don’t come after my dog,” he warned them.

Recently, Obama asked Perry to delay the July 7 execution of Humberto Leal in order to comply with the International Court of Justice in The Hague and the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. Perry refused. Therefore Obama asked the US Supreme Court to delay the execution because it would damage US foreign relations. The Court refused 5-4 and Perry ordered the execution to go forward as scheduled. Over the howls of diplomats, politicians, and the UN, Leal was administered a lethal injection at 6:20 p.m. Before he died, he admitted his guilt and asked for forgiveness.

The case has special implications for Perry, who is considering a run for the presidency in 2012. Even his critics resent federal interference in a Texas execution, which is related to a state, not a federal, crime – an alcohol and drug-fueled rape and murder 17 years ago by an illegal whose family brought him into the country 35 years ago as a child. The interference hinges not on the man’s guilt, which Leal’s advocates acknowledged, but on a technicality – failure to inform Leal that he could have gotten legal representation from the Mexican consulate in lieu of the court-appointed attorneys who represented him. Independent Texans saw Obama’s interference as another intrusion of federal power into the affairs of a state, which could cost Obama support in other states.

Needless to say, Perry is a hard-edged conservative and a ferocious defender of 10th Amendments rights (“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”) – an explicit restriction of the federal government to only those powers granted in the Constitution. Perry accuses the federal government, especially the Obama administration, of illegal overreach.

Perry said “no thanks” to the feds whose stimulus offered taxpayer dollars for education and unemployment assistance. The strings on “free money” from Washington , he said, would restrict Texas in managing its own affairs. Perry even depleted all state funds to fight recent wildfires before asking Washington for disaster relief. His request has been ignored, which comes across as an unvarnished federal power play, further pitting Perry and Texans against the federal government.

Perry is ruggedly handsome – a modern Marlboro kind of man – whom the late Texan and liberal columnist, Molly Ivins, called "Governor Goodhair.” His high octane rhetoric is unmistakably conservative. Speaking to the Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans last month, he pumped the air with both fists as he strode to the podium. “Whew!’ he cried repeatedly. “Yeah!” He was like an excited race horse being shoved into a starting gate.

I stand before you today a disciplined conservative Texan -- a committed Republican and a proud American -- united with you in the desire to restore our nation and revive the American dream…

Our party cannot be all things to all people. It can't be. And our loudest opponents on the left are never gonna’ like us so let's quit trying to curry favor with 'em! … Let's speak with pride about our morals and our values and redouble our effort to elect more conservative Republicans. Let's stop this American downward spiral! …

This administration in Washington that's in power now clearly believes that government is not only the answer to every need, but it's the most qualified to make essential decisions for every American in every area. That mix of arrogance and audacity that guides the Obama administration is an affront to every freedom-loving American and a threat to every private sector job in this country.

Perry’s speech was a tea partier’s delight. The almost cocky swagger. The Texas accent. But I wonder how it would sell to political independents – those more pragmatic than ideological?

Then after initially embracing Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” law, Perry turned against it, calling it “a monstrous intrusion into our (i.e. the Texas education system) affairs” in an interview. His 10th Amendment fire-breathing can’t be contained.

Bush ran as a “compassionate conservative,” probably a euphemism for the liberalism of his rich family, which is what caused Reagan to balance his conservative ticket with running mate George H. W. Bush. Perry will have to show that he intends to reverse the reckless spending of the Bush-Obama years.

Bush ran as a “uniter, not a divider.” Perry will have to show that he intends to be an unmistakable contrast to everything Obama stands for and will undo the Obama program, even as Clinton undid the Reagan legacy and Obama undid the Bush programs, complaining all the while that Bush was responsible for everything that was wrong with America .

Should Obama be concerned if Perry runs? Absolutely. Obama cannot run on his record – an unpopular healthcare law, a failed stimulus, unprecedented spending and debt, a jobless “recovery” and the threat of a double-dip recession, not to mention a foreign policy he can’t explain and his undeclared war on Libya . Obama’s record is a disaster. Perry by contrast produced in Texas an oasis of prosperity in a sea of misery during the Obama years.

Not being able to defend his own economic record, or attack Perry's, Obama might try to paint Perry as a representative of the far right. That wouldn't be easy. Perry served three terms in the Texas House as a Democrat, and supported Al Gore's 1988 presidential bid. That was when there were still some conservative Democrats. Perry switched to the Republican Party in 1989 when the Democrat Party began moving left.

Obama might attack Perry’s ideological extremism. But Perry could remind voters that Reagan was initially painted as a conservative extremist, until Reagan’s folksy “Now there you go again” confidence showed Americans that the extremist was in the White House. Reagan’s proof was the economic chaos Carter had wrought (“Are you better off now than you were four years ago?”) and the foreign policy catastrophes his policies produced in Iran , whose hostage crisis was nearing 400 days.

Unlike Perry, Obama is all hat and no cattle. There is no Obama thrust that Perry can’t parry if he keeps his good humor and enthusiasm and reminds Americans that, yes, his flaws are large – until you compare them with Obama’s.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds good to me. You're wasting your time on this forum though. This is the " Hope and Change" mecca of the northern woods. You'll see.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I'll keep my guns, money, and rights. They can keep the "change".
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wink It will be VERY interesting to see if Ron Paul, a fellow Texas Fire Brand.. Will endorse Perry, IF Perry wins the nomination.. and if so, will the Ron Paul followers, then support Perry.. I think I know the answer, but I thought it was worth throwing into the pot.. #evil Everyone have a great weekend..
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will Hillary challenge? Will Bama backers support her?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:15 am    Post subject: Perry Reply with quote

Ron Paul would never endorse Perry. Perry is the absolute epitome of big government fat cats that feed off the American people and then transfer that wealth to the big corporate friends.

Troy, did you know that Perry was once a democrat? Did you know that Perry became a millionaire while he has been in government? Wow. How does that happen?

He would sell his soul for a corporate campaign donation. He has crafted legislation that benefits his buddies in the nuclear industry, big pharma, and of course big oil.

Perry ran a "Prayer fest" to garner votes. Whereas Ron Paul, a deeply religious man, keeps his believes private and would never try to garner votes by espousing religion.

Only the gullible, the weak minded, or the insane would think that Rick Perry was anything other than more of the same from a career politician.

Troy, if you want to keep your guns, money, and rights, there is no better man than Ron Paul. You have to look at which man has endorsed these concepts with a lifetime of actions and which one pays "lip service" to them for political gain.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John. Why do you view "Corporations" as so evil? You are always ranting about them. No organization has more power in the US than the unions. I don't see you complaining about the "government" special interest groups. Teacher union dues go straight to the democrats. As a matter of fact, the last stimulus money was nothing more than a slush fund for the democrat party. Corporations want to generate a profit. Government wants to control people. I like profit.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:40 pm    Post subject: corporations Reply with quote

I mention corporations because they "buy" politicians. Corporate lawyers, rather than elected congress members, write legislation that benefits the corporate bottom line. That legislation is then presented for a vote. Much of that legislation benefits Corporations with subsidies, tax breaks, etc. Quite Often, that corporate "welfare" DOES NOT trickle down to the middle class. I could go on how this "welfare" kills entrepeneurs that do not qualify for the handouts.

If you knew anything about Ron Paul you would know that his take on unions is like yours...he is against them. Yes, as a tchr I was a union member. I know all the reasons that unions are good and bad. If employers were "fair" and just with their employees, there would be no need for unions. Define "fair and Just".... Unions often represent the same bad behavior as our federal government. I endorse RP so you know how I feel about unions.

Right guy, you are a REPUBLICAN...period. I do not endorse either party. They are equally bad, equally greedy,...EQUAL. They DO NOT represent the people. They represent BIGGER government...period.

Ron Paul, although running as a republican, does not believe in corporate taxbreaks, corporate subsidies, foreign "welfare", or the warmongering mentality of most of our federal government. That scares a lot of Perry's friends. It scares the military/congressional/industrial complex.

And while we are talking about Perry, he welcomed with open arms the federal "handout" money which was used to "create" a big portion of Texas jobs. Jobs that are subsidized with money we do not have...yet he raves against the fed gov. ....hypocrit.

Big oil owns our Federal government. Lobbyists, like roaches, crawl all over DC...not just union lobbyists. And by the way, Ron Paul allows NO LOBBYISTS to enter his office...NONE.

Speaking of controlling people...Perry signed an executive order to make it mandatory for all teenage girls to take some cervical cancer drug. Is that freedom? The drug company dishing out that drug is a "good" friend of Rick Perry. Some republicans blab about freedom but it is only for the freedoms they deem important.

Go to Ron Paul's web sight. Read. Perhaps you will discover what I discovered about this REAL, conservative, intelligent, doctor.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:42 am    Post subject: RP...Rick Perry Reply with quote

Texans Vote

Posted on September 11, 2011 by Lew Rockwell

On whom they prefer for president. Ron Paul gets 83%.

Why would Texans vote like this?

Read this article, Troy, 'bout your humble, down home, farmer/politician/millionaire presidential candidate. He represents everything wrong with our government.

I could copy and paste this article but why? Read it here.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63221.html
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John - Thats total crap, I don't think half the people here in Texas have even heard of Ron Paul, I don't know how 83% say they would vote for him. That must have been an extremely specific group of people polled.

All of these people that have never actual done anything are all giving lip service. Rick Perry has been running this state for 11 yrs and the economy is strong. Why do you think people are moving here? Its not because of the weather. I have friends that have visited here from all of the country and they are amazed at the economy, housing, and the number of people that are out spending money on any night of the week.

I will base my vote on someone that I have first hand knowledge of his actions and not on empty promises. BTW - weren't you happy when Obama was voted in? He has to be the worst presdent we have ever had. Based on that alone I would steer clear of the person you are endorsing.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading your article I think we should pay Rick Perry more. Obama does all of that and more, plus he is paid more, and he hasn't done anything except take vacations and ruin our country.

Perry's perks over 11 years as the successful governor of Texas pale in comparison to the cost funded by US taxpayers just for Michelle Obama vacation to Spain, not to mention all the other vacations (separate flights to the Vineyard 2 hours apart),jaunts for Broadway dinner and a show, and on and on and on.

Perry's got gifts from constituents, they made the conscious decision to do so. Taxpayers have no say in Barry and Michelle's largesse, they have the pathological sense of entitlement.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That means you are part of the 17% that like Perry.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JEE - I looked up the "story" you quoted that 83% of Texans would vote for Ron Paul and that was all the entire article said. It didn't give any other information at all. I would suggest you look for additional information. The only reason I would think this could be remotely true would be that Texans don't want to lose him as our govenor.

I conducted my own poll here today. I asked 10 people from different walks of life if they would vote for Ron Paul or Rick Perry. All 10 of them had the same question and answer. Who is Ron Paul? An yes I would vote for Rick Perry.

So I would like to apologize for my earlier statement when I said 50 % of the people here have even heard of Ron Paul. I was very wrong and I should not have asumed anything. According to my poll: 0 % know who he is and 0 % would vote for him.

I think this proves that polls mean nothing. It all depends on who you are asking and it definitely depends on who is writing the article and who they like most.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul, Bachmann, Cain or Perry. I'm in. You can have Romney and Gingrich.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After reading some articles on Ron Paul, I find it hard to believe anyone would endorse him.

Ron Paul believes that climate change is no big deal and the Environmental Protection Agency is unnecessary. John, you won't have any trees to hug.

He also wants to abolish half of all federal agencies, including the departments of Energy, Education, Agriculture, Commerce, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, and Labor.

He believes that Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are unconstitutional.

He would not have voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

He wants to legalize prostitution at the federal level and legalize all drugs: including cocaine and heroin.

Thank you JEE for stiring my curiousity about Ron Paul and for allowing me to become more informed.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject: perry obama Reply with quote

You keep pounding the drums for Rick Perry compared to Obama. You hate obama. I do not mean in a political way but in a personal way.

our last 75 years of federal government under republican and democratic administrations has taken us to this point. There is NO difference. Obamabushclintonbush. ALL CRIMINALS.

I was a democrat. And it hit me when I listened to Ron Paul. Locking one's self into ANY party is just plain stupid. This man's LIFE has been a model that no other candidate, republican or democrat, can match.

Perry cannot hold a candle to this man's record, intellect. and knowledge. Plus he has the wisdom of year's. Paul never spews fake patriotism or false bravado to woo the mindless. He actually states cause and effect reasons for some of our problems...which many Americans can not handle...however true and proven.

The more the MSM promotes Rick Perry, the more you know he is the same ol same ol.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troy wrote:
After reading some articles on Ron Paul, I find it hard to believe anyone would endorse him.

Ron Paul believes that climate change is no big deal and the Environmental Protection Agency is unnecessary. John, you won't have any trees to hug.

He also wants to abolish half of all federal agencies, including the departments of Energy, Education, Agriculture, Commerce, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, and Labor.

He believes that Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are unconstitutional.

He would not have voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

He wants to legalize prostitution at the federal level and legalize all drugs: including cocaine and heroin.

Thank you JEE for stiring my curiousity about Ron Paul and for allowing me to become more informed.


That doesn't appear I am even talking about Rick Perry or Obama at all.

Are you avoiding answering these things?

The items above have all been verified except one. The only thing the Ron Paul camp is disputing, I think it as to be the funniest response I have read and it came from Ron Paul’s spokesman, who protested that Paul has never advocated legalizing heroin. They don't dispute any of the other items.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:09 pm    Post subject: Ron Paul Reply with quote

Troy, you are correct about all of the things Ron Paul would get rid of.

Those programs were created with good intentions but the fact is they cost billions and do nothing. I am a retired teacher. And I couldn't agree more that the fed. dept. of education should be eliminated entirely!! The Federal Government can tell us how to do a better job of teaching our children than local communities or states????? I do not buy it. The last thing I want is a Federal Government approved textbook...of any kind. Waste and fraud swirl around in that dept.

All of the Hard to swallow items you list all come with explanations. Read those, Troy, and weigh them against your short list of shock value snippets.

You want government in your life...that is what all those programs are...you paying for government to take care of you.

The EPA, although a good intention, really simply allows entities to pollute...to a degree. If you do not like that degree of pollution next to your property, tough luck, cuz the EPA says its OK. I say that NO ONE has the right to pollute to any degree especially if it affects my property or the water or the air I breath. People deserve much better. People need to enforce what happens to THEIR land...not some agency in bed with the biggest polluters on earth. Just ck out the fracking industry and the EPA mandates that were amended to allow frack jobs to pollute as they please...!!! As long as you agree with the benzolendiethlyliptate in your water, your OK.

As it stands now, you have no say so. Look at the coal industry. They can pollute all they want according to the EPA.

Has the civil rights act helped minorities? Here we are 50 yrs or so later and where is the greatest unemployment? Which race is best educated? Least educated? Racism exists now just in different ways.

Social Security is a word on paper. And that is exactly what is in the bank account...a word on paper and billions in liabilities that cannot sustain the system. Ron Paul is all for people taking care of THEMSELVES. But what the government has done is create a safety net that will not hold up. Wouldn't it be better if a person put their own money into their own account that they control? It's the Federal Government that has destroyed the system. Why would you endorse that?

You want your freedoms but you also think that government should decide which freedoms are good for you. Why shouldn't any adult decide what he or she puts in her body? Somehow, alcohol, a controlled, regulated, taxed substance exists just fine with you. Why not do the same with Marijuana? The war on drugs is what, 40 yrs old? Billions spent every year with NO SUCCESS???!!! That's one long war. People are murdered every day, border problems exist, etc. Regulate it. Legalize it. Are you afraid that you might turn into a marijuanaholic? Responsible people will be responsible and irresponsible people will...drink too much. But that is what comes with freedom.

Find a congressman that has voted against EVERY TAX INCREASE bill that has crossed his desk, other than Ron Paul. Find one. Actions speak louder than snippets.
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