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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:09 am    Post subject: Stimulus package good or bad? Reply with quote

Its time to spend our billions at home. The Conservatives and bible thumpers war cost 2 trillion dollars and a million lives, (god bless America and only America) but they wont vote to help our own country. Thier twisted policies didnt work and got us to where we are today. You can give a person all the tax breaks you want, but if he or she doesnt have a job what good does it do thier hungry families. I thought our president did a good job lastnite presenting his case. John Mcain lost the election because of his parties ideas and still doesnt get it.
I voted Reuplican most of my life but they have a long way to go before I ever vote in that direction again.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not a party voter at all, I have voted for both parties over the years. I think putting all that money at the top and see what comes out the bottom is the wrong idea. If we are going to spend all that money why not give each house hold $100,000.00 to pay off all or part of their home and see what trickles up to the top for a change. I know if my house was payed off and I felt my job was secure I would be spending more money. But right now you couldn't get me to borrow more money if it was a 2%.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

''The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.'' - Margaret Thatcher

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have."

Look at the hidden National Healthcare

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs

Summary:
$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
$380 million in the Senate bill for the Women, Infants and Children program
$300 million for grants to combat violence against women
$2 billion for federal child-care block grants
$6 billion for university building projects
$15 billion for boosting Pell Grant college scholarships
$4 billion for job-training programs, including $1.2 billion for “youths” up to the age of 24
$1 billion for community-development block grants
$4.2 billion for “neighborhood stabilization activities”
$650 million for digital-TV coupons; $90 million to educate “vulnerable populations”
$4.5 billion for U.S. Army Corps of Engineers
$850 million for Amtrak
$87 million for a polar icebreaking ship
$1.7 billion for the National Park System
$55 million for Historic Preservation Fund
$7.6 billion for “rural community advancement programs”
$150 million for agricultural-commodity purchases
$150 million for “producers of livestock, honeybees, and farm-raised fish”
$2 billion for renewable-energy research ($400 million for global-warming research)
$2 billion for a “clean coal” power plant in Illinois
$6.2 billion for the Weatherization Assistance Program
$3.5 billion for energy-efficiency and conservation block grants
$3.4 billion for the State Energy Program
$200 million for state and local electric-transport projects
$300 million for energy-efficient-appliance rebate programs
$400 million for hybrid cars for state and local governments
$1 billion for the manufacturing of advanced batteries
$1.5 billion for green-technology loan guarantees
$8 billion for innovative-technology loan-guarantee program
$2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects
$4.5 billion for electricity grid
$15 billion for business-loss carry-backs
$145 billion for “Making Work Pay” tax credits
$83 billion for the earned income credit
$79 billion for State Fiscal Stabilization Fund
$89 billion for Medicaid
$30 billion for COBRA insurance extension
$36 billion for expanded unemployment benefits
$20 billion for food stamps

The National Endowment for the Arts, for example, is in line for $50 million, increasing its total budget by a third. The unemployed can fill their days attending abstract-film festivals and sitar concerts.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Opposed. Remember when we were concerned about a $250 million dollar bridge to nowhere? That would have created jobs too, right, as long as we call it infrastructure.

There is no way to really know what we are about to spend a trillion dollars on. That scares me.

If the stimulus bill was targeted stimulus with an explanation, I would probably support it since economists seem to think we need that. On the other hand, the idea that the only way to fix the economy is to get us spending is scary too.

My greatest concern is that the Dems are throwing into this bill everything they have wanted to spend money on for the past 8 years and, by getting 3 moderate GOPers to sell their soul in exchange, no doubt, for something for the state of Maine (where 2 of those GOP Senators are from), they will bankrupt our children.

We are gonna have big time buyers remorse in a few years when we have little to show for that trillion dollars and a huge, huge bill. And, speaking selfishly, I think it unlikely that MI residents will do well--I bet CA and NY and some other coastal states will do very well--and we in the midwest will, as usual, pay for their irresponsibility (e.g., how do you feel about bailing out Californians who entered into interest only loans to buy $800,000 1200 sf ranches? I don't like it.

By the way, 3Putt, while there is plenty of blame to go around, the fact is (and just check out any of the finance books now being written), the economic crisis stems from the fact that people thought it was a good idea to extend home ownership to those who really could not afford it. Thus the change from the classic 20% down requirement to 5% or even 0% and to loans to people who simply were not qualified. The loosening up of lending restrictions--which was clearly pushed by Dems, is very much to blame for this crisis.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your right Doug about the loans, but I disagree with your starting point.
This all started with NAFTA. They sold us out. If there was a Mexican lawyer down the hall from you who did your service for a quarter of what you do it for you wouldnt have a job either. Alot of good people who had nothing to do with bad loans have lost thier jobs and thier homes because of NAFTA and Bill Clintons signature. Familyman you should make out a itemized list of how much the phony war in IRAQ cost. Its alright to spend 2 trillion in Iraq but not at home. Give me a break!
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O.K. I'm getting a little tired of this knee-jerk reaction to the proposed 50 million for the arts. I personally have an arts related job through the University of Wisconsin where we publish limited edition prints that people then BUY. To the tune of about $1 mill. a year. We employ 7 people full time and provide three graduate students full tuition and a stipend. As you might imagine, we pay TAXES into the economy.The arts is a huge variety of things beyond "abstract films and sitar music", all of which are valuable both culturally and economically. A society is defined by its culture, and without it we are all poorer.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Add New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal.


Notwithstanding reports that all economists are now Keynesians and that we all support a big increase in the burden of
government, we the undersigned do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance.
More government spending by Hoover and Roosevelt did not pull the United States economy out of the Great Depression in
the 1930s. More government spending did not solve Japan’s “lost decade” in the 1990s. As such, it is a triumph of hope over
experience to believe that more government spending will help the U.S. today. To improve the economy, policymakers should
focus on reforms that remove impediments to work, saving, investment and production. Lower tax rates and a reduction in the
burden of government are the best ways of using fiscal policy to boost growth.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Familyman what the crap was that list of people about.

Here is the real reason.


Indian Chief 'Two Eagles' was asked by a white government official, 'You have observed the white man for 90 years. You've seen his wars and his technological advances. You've seen his progress, and the damage he's done.'

The Chief nodded in agreement.

The official continued, 'Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?'

The Chief stared at the government official for over a minute and then calmly replied.

'When white man find land, Indians running it, no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water. Women did all the work, Medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; all night having sex.' Then the chief leaned back and smiled. 'Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that.'
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The list was economists that disagree with Obama. Oh yeah, add Wall Street. Down over 360 points.
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PEROT warned us way back when what would happen if NAFTA was voted in. And here we are. One that we should kick the crap out of is~~~good old Clinton. Thanks a H--- of a lot Billy Boy. You notice that Clinton is not hurting for anything. And so many laughed at Perot.

And lending money to those that can not or will not pay it back....? What is this? What ever happen to earning the right to borrow and the proof of returning the loan-PAYING IT BACK? There use to be rules-consequences, etc. Who bailed out people back then?

Soon there will be no middle class nor the rich man nor the poor man. We will all be put into one category. What will we have to strive for? We will be controlled by guess who or guess what...?

Familyman, your comment:
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have." This is so very true, only if we allow it or are led into it and all directions seem to be leading to it. Will not be the same country I have been raised in. Scary!
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Familyman,

If you don't like Keynesian economics I assume you are a "free market" Freidman fan. Might want to check out Naomi Klien's The Shock Doctrine to see how well that system works. We could try that, but it takes a dictatorship to pull it off properly. Personally I'd take socialism over that. At least then a large percentage of us don't have to be imprisoned or starved into submission.
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Squeaky, NAFTA was pushed through congress by the republican party, and signed by Bill Clinton. I watched a documentary about how all the wealthy buisness owners paid and sponsered the congressman who voted for it, so they could move thier companys south of the border. Theres another list you can make Familyman. All the Republicans who moved thier buinesses south of the border to make more money no matter how much harm it caused our great country you were raise in. How bout that list of all the money we spent in IRAQ. You never once complained about how much money we were spending killing innocent people in thier own country. The last time our great nation faced an unemployment rate this high was when the other Bush was in office. (fact)
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I agree. I wasn't happy with Bush. As far as I'm concerned a lot of this happened on his watch. He didn't stand up to Barney and Chris and Nancy. He wanted to show how bi-partisan he was. If he would have had the same attitude as Obama, "We Won", maybe Barney and Chris wouldn't have been allowed to mess up the banking system. I loved Reagan, he was a great leader, inspired people, defeated the Soviet Union, cut taxes, increased the tax revenue because of it but, he didn't stand up for spending freezes and allowed congress too continue with over spending and funding programs that didn't work. People used to point to the post office as the only government program that worked. Well guess what. It don't now. Losing Billions. Has to cut back on mail delivery. Look at Detroit. With all the goverment oversight Kuamme was still able to maximize corruption. Look at the schools. All the oversight and still a pile of crap down there.
As far as the war in Irag. The same thing. If we would have started the surge 4 years earlier mabey it would have sped things up. I blame Bush for pussyfooting around, not the decision to get rid of Sadam.
I would err on the side of capitalism over socialism. Once the goverment gets the power they never give it back.
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Oh, back to the title of the thread... stimulus package good!
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At the top right hand corner of Page 17 of the New York Post of January 24th, 2009, was a short column entitled "Replacing Michelle" in the National Review "The Week" column. I found this interesting, so here it is, word for word, as it appeared:
'Some employees are simply irreplaceable. Take Michelle Obama: The University of Chicago Medical center hired her in 2002 to run "programs for community relations, neighborhood outreach, volunteer recruitment, staff diversity and minority contracting."
In 2005 the hospital raised her salary from $120,000 to $317,000 - nearly twice what her husband made as a Senator.
Oh did we mention that her husband had just become a US Senator? He sure had. Requested a $1 Million earmark for the UC Medical Center, in fact. Way to network Michelle!
But now that Mrs Obama has resigned, the hospital says her position will remain unfilled. How can that be, if the work she did was vital enough to be worth $317,000?
We can think of only one explanation: Senator Roland Burris's wife wasn't interested.
Note: Let me add that Michelle's position was a half time, 20 hour a week job. And to think they were critical of Blagoyovich's wife for taking $100,000 in
fuzzy real estate commission.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="BBIBABS"]Familyman what the crap was that list of people about.
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BBIBABS,
I think that the familyman somehow got a hold of Rush Limbaughs xmas card mailing list. LOL Still waiting for that itemized Iraq war spending list.
How many trillion? How many dead? how many wounded?, how many displaced? 800 million dollar embassy? Never heard a peep about that spending from the familyman..
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This is a much cooler site when politics and religion are the topics. We're still being too cordial for good reading, where's Piper?

As for the stimulus package, spending money you don't have and can't pay back is never a good policy. We are all afraid of falling on our face but don't seem all that concerned about the future of our children or grandchildren. Back when the debt was smaller and the economy was better we couldn't even pay the interest.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twisted Evil Let's see $ 800,000,000,000 divided by July 2008 US census 303.824,640 people = $ 2,633 for each Man Woman and Child.. A family of four could stimulate the hell out of the economy with that kind of money.. The Tax (20% on only 2 family members) would be an average of $1,053 per family of four. a return of 70,981,836,480 to the Treasury. in year 1.. NO PORK, except in the food purchased.. This very simple example, of course does not fit any econ model.. So why mention it.
BTW you must be legally in the US to get your share.. What a concept..
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve,
You forget what this is all about now. Time for CHANGE. And they HOPE we will walk peacefully and get on the trains. The perfect storm.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With our blue pants and our white shirts, kinda like the ones your kids wear to thier private schools
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry pal, wrong guy.
You can't deny what's happening. The argument is, "Is this good, or is this bad."
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know, I know, here I go, cut and paste. Off the Fox news breaking news stories. Looks like you you Rush, Hanniy, Beck etc. etc. haters may get your wish.

A political battle is brewing over control of the radio airwaves as Democrats consider pushing for the revival of the Fairness Doctrine, an FCC policy that requires broadcast stations to provide opposing views on controversial issues of public importance.

Democratic lawmakers who support the doctrine say it will help increase the number of liberal shows in a landscape dominated by conservative talk radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh.

"I absolutely think it's time to be bringing accountability to the airwaves," Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Mich., told liberal radio host Bill Press last week. She said she expects hearings soon on reviving the policy, which was introduced in 1949 and abolished in 1987.

Stabenow's husband, Tom Athans, is and has been an executive at several liberal radio talk groups.

But Oklahoma Sen. James Inhofe said radio programming should be based on what brings in listeners and advertisers.

"I can't think of anything worse than to have government in a position to dictate the content of information going over public radio," said Inhofe, a Republican. "The whole idea is that it has to be market driven. We have a lot of progressive or liberal radio shows but nobody listens to them and every time one tries to get on, they are not successful."

Inhofe and other critics believe those pushing to bring back the Fairness Doctrine -- nicknamed the Hush Rush Doctrine -- want to diminish the influence of Limbaugh and other conservative talk show hosts. Supporters insist that's not the case.

Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, told Press Wednesday that the Fairness Doctrine is needed not to remove any conservative voices, but to ensure that there are a few liberal shows on the air.

During the presidential campaign, a spokesman said Barack Obama did not favor reinstating the Fairness Doctrine. But his White House spokesman has since left the door open.

"I pledge to you to study up on the 'Fairness Doctrine' so that, one day, I might give you a more fulsome answer," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said.

Inhofe says Democrats and liberal advocacy groups aren't going to let the matter drop.

"They are committed to make this happen," he said. "We got to be ready."



FOX News' Molly Henneberg contributed to this report.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be nice if they got rid of the no good lieing air bag. Rush should go to jail for fraud. Fakes a hearing problem then when his drug problem is revealed hes suddenly cured..lol I believe if Lush Limbaugh told the conservitive nut jobs to drink the purple cool-aid they would do it.
Did some research myself today and found out the final cost of the Iraqi republican war is gonna be over 5 trillion when its all said and done. So far 4234 American soldiers have been killed, and 29000 seriuosly injured and will need assitance the rest of thier lives, and havent heard one republican congressman complain about the money being spent killing innocent people in thier own country.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bush is at home in Texas. Rush may be an airbag but show me where he lies. You may not like it when your guys are exposed but that doesn't mean they are lies. I admit I listen to conservative talk radio and I'm not ashamed of it. Irag didn't destroy our economy, Barney and Chris did by messing with the banking system. Show me how any of the porkulus bill is going to jump start the economy and stimulate anything. I thought your Messiah was going to unite us all. Ain't happening. Can't even nominate someone that have paid their taxes. The more we have to rely on the government for our basic needs the more power they have. If you like the idea of socialism, fine. I don't. I said way back the election was a battle between free market and socialism. So far socialism is winning. When your policies backfire and blowup the pendulum will swing back with a vengence. I don't think it will take long. The adults will be back in charge soon.
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